User talk:Vainglory

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If you don't know what something is, please don't just remove it. [1] [2] MrFoo 13:35, 3 August 2007 (BST)

I was just following his lead. --Vainglory 13:39, 3 August 2007 (BST)
There's a difference between advertising user-run shops (as flt's change was removing), and pointing to game-run shops (as were the ones you removed). Darksatanic 13:51, 3 August 2007 (BST)
I didn't realize there was a difference between the shops. I'll look more carefully in the future. --Vainglory 14:06, 3 August 2007 (BST)
You should know that there's a number of people (mostly on IRC, because it's a rather more immediate medium than discussion pages) somewhat concerned about your apparent intent to "clean up" the wiki. One of the appealing things about the wiki is that it is messy, and doesn't usually attempt to keep discussion and information separate. Indeed, it's sometimes informative to know how a datum was arrived at, as well as what was found out.
Before you start making widespread changes to the information on here, I would suggest starting a discussion about what you intend to do, and find out whether the Citiezens that use the wiki think the changes would be beneficial -- the Conversation page would be a good place for that.
Other attempts to "clean up" large swathes of the wiki (or even specific pages like the Monsters page) without a proper discussion beforehand have led to acrimony and even edit wars. I am well aware that good editors are needed for a successful wiki, and that sometimes a large re-organisation or wiki-wide changes need to be done, but doing so without checking that the changes will be welcomed by the users of the information in the wiki is likely to be counter-productive. Darksatanic 17:39, 3 August 2007 (BST)
I'm pretty irritable that someone who I thought was my friend went over and started spouting off things and got all of you riled. I tell you what. I won't touch your wiki anymore. Crisis averted. --Vainglory 20:44, 3 August 2007 (BST)
I'm not riled in the slightest, and I'm sorry I gave you that impression. I'm simply concerned, because there has been a history in the past of people going off half-cocked, on all sides, and arguments getting out of hand. I was trying to alert you to the fact that such things happen, and that this was starting to look like one of those cases. And, for the record, Bort's comments on IRC didn't materially affect the above text. Darksatanic 22:01, 3 August 2007 (BST)
I jumped to conclusions based on getting some flak in-game over it. I guess someone decided to play with me a bit. --Vainglory 15:54, 13 August 2007 (BST)

Minor quibble: wouldn't it be better for your helpful links to the item-category pages to be at the bottom of the individual item pages? Leaving a page usually isn't the first thing you think of when you arrive. PotatoEngineer 09:59, 24 August 2007 (BST)

The item categories are still at the bottom. I put that extra blurb at the top so people could easily find the main page for a particular item, so then they could look at the table of weapons, for example. The Category:Weapons page does show all of the weapons in that category, but unlike the Weapons page, it doesn't give a little description about them. I basically figured people wanted the categories for organizational purposes and the Weapons page as the "go to" listing for weapons. --Vainglory 16:06, 24 August 2007 (BST)
Yes, it's a different page. I'm just saying the link should probably go at the bottom, not the top, because the first thing you read in a page is the top---and the first thing you want to do in a page is not leave. PotatoEngineer 14:53, 25 August 2007 (BST)
Oh, I was thinking of it like a disambiguation link. That's fine too though. I'll just start putting them at the bottom. --Vainglory 19:54, 25 August 2007 (BST)
As an avid wiki contributor who wrote most of the individual item pages, I actually hate those "looking for other" things. They clog up the "what links here" tool (an important feature for fixing outdated links) and generally clutter the pages up unnecessarily. - Isambard 19:18, 30 August 2007 (BST)
You're going to want something at least to direct people around, because the categories aren't completely set-up for the current item types that the wiki uses or for the item types that the game uses. Not to mention that all of the items are not listed in individual pages on the wiki. I could make a simple template that made links to all of the wiki item pages and put it at the bottom of the individual item pages. That was if a user wanted to look at more weapons or move on to a different type of item, they can easily do so. --Vainglory 18:57, 2 September 2007 (BST)

It's probably best not to make user pages for the spam-bots. They're easier to spot in Recent Changes if they don't have pages. -- Sertularian 13:46, 25 August 2007 (BST)

Sorry. It was just irritating me. --Vainglory 19:52, 25 August 2007 (BST)


Llama Research

Sure! The more data the better. I'm not going out of my way to hunt Llamas, though; just gathering the info as I go. I'm keeping my data in an Excel spreadsheet since it's easier to edit and manipulate than the wiki which I'll upload from time-to-time. 23:50, 8 November 2007 (GMT)

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